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To put a couple of clear examples, The Question is a Ren'ai game, while Summer Session is a Dating sim.
Now, not only is this page a mess, but the "gender focus" section on the sidebar is obsolete /and/ people are getting confused - I just saw that Angelique had been placed in the "Bishoujo games" category (there are no official Angelique games that involve a male main character dating females). I'm going to try and remove the content I can figure out is referring to the other genre, but I'm not quite sure what all of the games mentioned are, so it's rather hard.--Seizure Dog , 13 March 2007 (UTC) Well, ja:加奈_～いもうと～ describes it as a ren'ai adventure game.
Since it's basically been settled that dating sims and visual novels are different genres, there's confusion in this article due to visual novels also being called dating sims in the West. Then again, I'm arguing in favor of English genre definitions on the English wikipedia on Talk: Visual novel, so I can't rightly favor the Japanese source in this case just because I personally agree with it.
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Content Wrapper:after.hidden.normal.grid_page.grid_page:before,.grid_page:after.grid_page:after.grid_page h3.grid_page h3 a.grid_page h3 a:hover.grid_page h3 a.action_button.grid_page h3 a.action_button:active.grid_page h3 a.action_button:hover.grid_page h3 a.action_button:not(.fake_disabled):hover.grid_page h3 a.action_button:not(.fake_disabled):focus.grid_pagediv. Current time in Japan: , April 10, 2018 (JST, Heisei 30) Arigato! In all seriousness, bring in some extra voices to this before you start reverting. I know "dating sim" and "love sim" have both been much more common in English up until now and deserve mention, but, from my experience playing these games and following Japanese otaku media, "romance sim" seems both to describe them better and to correspond better with "ren'ai simulation game." Usually not much of these games covers dating; what's simulated is mostly trying to win over characters (through one's own self-improvement efforts, everyday conversation, etc.), i.e., romance.- Eyeresist , 6 June 2006 (UTC) Ashibaka's argument is basically "it's not English and since 'dating sim' is an excellent equivalent we should be using that". "Love sim" suggests a simulation of the experience of being in love, which, while it may be so for many players, many, on the other hand, don't take them as seriously as that suggests.After all, this is not supposed to be a dictionary (though people still will be able to find the page through "Dating sim"), but an encyclopedia giving "a worldwide view of the subject." Skyworm (talk) , 14 December 2007 (UTC)If you take a look at , there is a list there with more than 120 games: most of them are Ren'ai, while only some are actual Dating sims.I hope this list might help clarifying the difference.You may take a look at the Ren'Ai archive for an example on how these games are normally categorized (they tag the games listed by type of gameplay, by kind of relationship, and by thematic genre).Tags: Adult Dating, affair dating, sex dating